Help for the Struggling Physician – 393
On this week's episode of the PNC podcast, John shares his selections of the most valuable resources for physicians pursuing a nonclinical career.
From comprehensive courses to specialized training programs, these curated resources help doctors navigate their career transitions more effectively. Whether you're just starting to explore alternatives or actively preparing to make a change, these tools can save you time and prevent costly mistakes in your career journey.
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Valuable Resources for Career Exploration
John highlights several core resources that provide foundational knowledge for physicians considering new careers. His Nonclinical Career Academy offers approximately 30 courses covering various career options, with both one-time purchase and monthly subscription models available.
For those just beginning their exploration, free resources like the Five Career Guide and the 70 Nonclinical Careers Checklist provide valuable starting points, helping physicians understand the breadth of opportunities available and specific steps to pursue them.
Specialized Training for High-Demand Opportunities
For physicians interested in specific high-demand fields, John recommends targeted resources like his Medical Science Liaison Course and Dr. Gretchen Green's Expert Witness Startup School. These specialized programs offer step-by-step guidance for entering lucrative fields that can either supplement clinical practice or provide a complete career alternative.
Dr. Heather Fork's LinkedIn for Physicians and Carpe Diem Resume Kit help doctors effectively position themselves for these opportunities through professional branding and resume development. Dr. Paul Hercock will teach you the essential principles of Medical Device Regulation and applied literature review, providing you the skills and knowledge relevant to a career in medical devices in the Medical Affairs Affiliate Program.
Summary
All resources mentioned in this episode are available through the links listed below, with many offering free or low-cost options to begin exploring new career possibilities. For ongoing support, physicians can join the weekly Nonclinical Physician Q&A sessions held every Thursday at 2:30 PM Eastern. Those interested in receiving regular updates about these and other resources can sign up at nonclinicalphysicians.com/dailyemail.
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- Expert Witness Startup School [affiliate link*]
- LinkedIn for Physicians [affiliate link*]
- Carper Diem Resumé Kit [affiliate link*]
- Medical Affairs Affiliate Program
- Weekly Nonclinical Career Q&A Recordings
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Transcription PNC Podcast Episode 393
Valuable Resources For Doctors Exploring New Job Possibilities
John: As I mentioned a minute ago, today I'm going to share some of the free and paid resources that you might find useful. Some are freebies that I created, others are paid courses that I or a colleague have created to help you on your career journey. They include a few written resources, other in video format, and one that's actually a recurring live event. I'll describe each one, explain if there's any cost involved, and I'll read off the link to where it can be found. And of course, to make it easy for you, I'll place all of these links in the show notes for today's episode. So let's just jump right in.
Here are some of the valuable resources for doctors exploring new job options. This is actually not everything I've ever promoted or shared with you, obviously, but these are some of the major ones. I'll start by telling you about my academy. It's called the Nonclinical Career Academy. It's found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/joinnca. It has about 30 courses and lessons. Some are single videos, some are multiple. And it has a pretty good cross section, especially if you're just getting started, overviews and introduction to certain topics that maybe you're not familiar with, certain careers, certain side jobs, and forth.
And then there's a fair number in there to talk about how to work in the hospital environment as a medical director and a VP and the CMO And forth. So there's a lot in there. And actually, if you're, if you join the NCA as a member, you get access to everything and you don't have to go through everything.
And when you sign up, there is a little bit of an instruction there about how to navigate the different courses that are available, depending on your interests. So you can look at that. You can do a one-time purchase where you get everything forever. And even as I add things like new courses, which I haven't added many in the past year, but I am still putting out weekly Q&A sessions, which could get added to that about once a month. Those are short 10, 15, 20 minute Q&A sessions where I address one particular aspect of one particular career or approach to pursuing a new job or things such as that.
You can get that for one price, or you can do a monthly membership. That monthly membership currently is at $57 a month. And that's there so that you can get in there and just spend two or three months, four months really intently going through it and then just dropping off. Or you've got the one-time purchase so that those fees don't continue forever if you're taking your time.
Now you can use for the monthly membership a code FIRSTMONTHFIVE. That indicates that you can get your first month membership for only $5. And you can look around and make sure it's right for you before continuing your membership. You can always leave, if you're on the monthly membership, you can leave at any time. That's the first thing I wanted to mention. It's been there for several years and I am still adding some content to that, and there can always be more in the future.
The next one is my free Five Career Guide. Now that's a 19 page, I think. Yeah, I think it's kind of like an eBook, 19 pages or so long, and it's free. And you can get that at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide. You see a pattern here, right? All these are going to be nonclinicalphysicians.com/ some keyword. This one's nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide. It's all one word. It's a 19 page eBook.
It's one of the first things I put together. It provides advice for pursuing a career as a physician advisor for utilization management, as a physician advisor for clinical documentation integrity, which most hospitals have these days, as a medical informaticist, as the VP for medical affairs, which definitely is a step up. Those are all obviously in the hospital setting. And then I also added one which is very commonly pursued and is very popular, and that's how to pursue being a medical writer.
On each of these topics, there are some multiple resources, really. I'll look through the first one here and kind of tell you, this is kind of what how I've broken it down. I'm talking about the supporting circumstances, which might help you get into one of these, the typical job listings, the steps to take, and then some useful resources for each of those five. And that's a good starting point if you're interested in one of those jobs. Now, if you're not interested in that, and you're talking about something in pharma or in health insurance or life insurance, or who knows, then this would not be all that helpful.
Then let's step to the next one. Again, this is one I produced several years ago, and I keep adding to it. It's called 70 Nonclinical Careers Checklist. It's the 70 Nonclinical Careers Checklist. It actually has 73 specific unconventional and nonclinical jobs for physicians on it. So it's growing. I think I've caught all the major ones. And it can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs. You have to give your email address to pick this one up and the previous one as well.
But in this one, it's a list. It's about three or four pages long. It's got 73 specific unconventional and nonclinical jobs for physicians. And most of them, the vast majority of them have some kind of a resource listed that goes along with trying to get this that would support your ability to learn more about it, and maybe to even find some resources to pursue that particular job.
Most of those resources are either a professional organization, or some other useful website that will provide support for you as you narrow that list down to one or two or three, and start working on how you might pursue that job.
All right. The next one is actually a course. It's one single course within the Nonclinical Career academy that I mentioned earlier. And it's very popular because it's a type of job that's very popular because pretty much any physician can pursue it. And it is a segue into the pharma industry. If you don't have any other way in, you don't have a background in research or anything like that. It's a course called Build a Rewarding Lucrative Career as a Medical Science Liaison. And you can find that at nonclinicalphysicians.com/MSLcourse. That's all one word.
This one does have a price tag. I think this is probably the most expensive on this list. It's a little bit under $400 unless sometimes I do specials. But as I said, it's a popular job. And by going through this course, you'll learn the proper lingo, you'll learn where to look, you'll learn about all the resources that I've identified for helping anybody become a medical science liaison.
You could be in an unhappy, unfulfilling job that you're starting to really burn out from. And by going through this course and implementing the things in there within six to eight months, you'll be ready to apply for your first job as an MSL. That's something that's been out there for several years.
And then speaking of courses, here's a course by someone other than myself. And it's one I've been promoting recently. It's closed right now for membership. However, this one is reopened at least twice a year. And this is called Expert Witness Startup School. It's at nonclinicalphysicians.com/ewcourse for expert witness. This is Dr. Gretchen Green's very popular course for becoming an expert witness consultant.
I'm not going to go into great detail here. But if you're in clinical practice, and if you're not averse to working with attorneys, it could be very fun for those that are in the right frame of mind. The course is excellent. It's extremely popular. It consists of four weeks with content for each week and then live sessions with Gretchen, a lot of supporting materials. And if you are thinking, "Okay, I'm a little burned out here", what you can do sometimes is start to do witness, expert witness consulting. And it generates enough revenue that you can cut back on your clinical time to the point where you might be doing I'd say 10 or 20 hours a week of expert witness startup, expert witness work, and then cut your clinical down by at least 20 hours, you'll still end up making a lot more money because the expert witness work is much more lucrative.
I throw that out there because it's been around for over five years. Several of my followers have taken the course and I know that hundreds of other physicians have taken it and successfully started their own expert witness consulting business.
All right, the next two actually are resources that have been created by Dr. Heather Fork. The first one is LinkedIn for Physicians. For many, many careers that you might pursue, whether clinical or non-clinical, a LinkedIn profile is important to create and to maintain. And you can try and struggle through setting up your LinkedIn profile by yourself. And LinkedIn does a fairly good job of walking through it.
But this course by Heather Fork is really a comprehensive LinkedIn course specifically for physicians. It tells you in there how to build your LinkedIn profile so that you'll be attractive to people out there looking for physicians with certain skills and physicians interested in certain types of side gigs and or moving into a nonclinical or unconventional clinical job. If you don't do this right, you can be lost in the mix. But if you have a good LinkedIn profile, as Dr. Fork recommends, it's very useful and very effective for finding those jobs.
Now, the link for this is nonclinicalphysicians.com/linkedIn. That's actually one of the affiliate links that I have on this list. That means that I get a small commission for sending you to her. The same is true for the Expert Witness Startup School and for Dr. Heather Fork's other course, which I'm going to describe in a minute. It doesn't affect the course cost, whatever it is, at whatever level that Heather's asking. It's exactly the same. It's just that because I can send her someone perhaps that she couldn't reach by herself, I get a small commission for that.
It's definitely the best course for learning how to use LinkedIn for physicians. There are other courses out there for the general public, but she even gets into how to network using LinkedIn and specifically as it relates to physicians networking for nonclinical careers. So, it's extremely helpful.
The next one, again, is Dr. Heather Fork's Carpe Diem Resume Kit. This is really an awesome course for creating a really excellent resume. When you're looking for an unconventional or nonclinical job, you usually don't use a CV. You use a resume. It's structured differently and it does take some skill in putting a resume together. And her course walks you through the process and it consists of digital guides and video tutorials, templates, skills builder exercise, because there's certain types of words that you should use. And she goes through and kind of explains the types of words to use, keywords and so forth.
She has actual samples of resumes and a whole lot more in that. That's called the Carpe Diem Resume Kit. And this one can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/resumekit. And again, very reasonably priced and will really help you to get that resume in a position where it's going to clearly meet the needs of the company that's recruiting you and the headhunters that are looking at your resume and including all the keywords and other things that make a resume stand out from everybody else's.
All right. The next one is another course called the Medical Affairs Associates Program. It's found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mantra because it is produced by Dr. Paul Hercock at Mantra Systems. And that's in the UK. This one is rather unique. It's a medical affairs training course suited to physicians and other medical and scientifically trained professionals looking to explore certain jobs in the medical device regulation industry in the UK and then the EU.
Paul Hercock has been on the podcast two or three times. Several years ago, there were some new requirements put in first in the UK and then the rest of the EU where there are medical device regulations. I think that was in 2002. Paul created this short course to teach you how to understand the regulations and how to help to support that. And partly because he hires people to do that. Even if you're in the US, you can do this for Mantra Systems. And for a small price, you can take the course. And then once you've taken the course and demonstrated that you understand the MDR and associated regulations, you can then apply for a job at Mantra or elsewhere for that matter. Again, that one is not an affiliate. There is a price, it's a very small price for what you get out of it. I would recommend you check it out at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mantra.
Well, those are the main ones. But the last one I want to mention before I go, and I do usually promote this on my website and in my podcast episodes, but we're still doing a weekly Nonclinical Physician Q&A. Those currently are being held every Thursday at 02:30 P.M. Eastern, 11:30 A.M. Pacific. I'm in central time. I'm basically logging on at 01:30 in the afternoon on Thursdays, my time. And we hit almost every single week unless I'm traveling or something.
You can access that going back to that nonclinicalphysicians.com/joinnca and looking for the Q&A sessions themselves, which you can sign up for only $5 a month and you'll get three to five posts a month with particular Q&A related to nonclinical and unconventional clinical careers. In fact, another way to access that directly would be go to nonclinicalcareeracademy.com/p/weekly-qa. I'll put that link again in the show notes, but nonclinicalcareeracademy.com. You go there and just scroll down to through all the courses and you'll see the Weekly Q&A and you can sign up and then for very nominal fee, you'll have access to those. And then you can actually join us live for the Q&A.
Probably the easiest way to find out about those is to go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/dailyemail, and you'll be sent emails on a regular basis. They won't be daily, however. Again, that's nonclinicalphysicians.com/dailyemail.
That's it for the free and low cost resources. I wanted to mention today, I'll probably do another episode like this a few months down the road with some of the other resources that I've come across over the years. But for all of today's links and a transcript of today's interview, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/valuable-resources.
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Transcription PNC Podcast Episode 393
Valuable Resources For Doctors Exploring New Job Possibilities
John: As I mentioned a minute ago, today I'm going to share some of the free and paid resources that you might find useful. Some are freebies that I created, others are paid courses that I or a colleague have created to help you on your career journey. They include a few written resources, other in video format, and one that's actually a recurring live event. I'll describe each one, explain if there's any cost involved, and I'll read off the link to where it can be found. And of course, to make it easy for you, I'll place all of these links in the show notes for today's episode. So let's just jump right in.
Here are some of the valuable resources for doctors exploring new job options. This is actually not everything I've ever promoted or shared with you, obviously, but these are some of the major ones. I'll start by telling you about my academy. It's called the Nonclinical Career Academy. It's found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/joinnca. It has about 30 courses and lessons. Some are single videos, some are multiple. And it has a pretty good cross section, especially if you're just getting started, overviews and introduction to certain topics that maybe you're not familiar with, certain careers, certain side jobs, and forth.
And then there's a fair number in there to talk about how to work in the hospital environment as a medical director and a VP and the CMO And forth. So there's a lot in there. And actually, if you're, if you join the NCA as a member, you get access to everything and you don't have to go through everything.
And when you sign up, there is a little bit of an instruction there about how to navigate the different courses that are available, depending on your interests. So you can look at that. You can do a one-time purchase where you get everything forever. And even as I add things like new courses, which I haven't added many in the past year, but I am still putting out weekly Q&A sessions, which could get added to that about once a month. Those are short 10, 15, 20 minute Q&A sessions where I address one particular aspect of one particular career or approach to pursuing a new job or things such as that.
You can get that for one price, or you can do a monthly membership. That monthly membership currently is at $57 a month. And that's there so that you can get in there and just spend two or three months, four months really intently going through it and then just dropping off. Or you've got the one-time purchase so that those fees don't continue forever if you're taking your time.
Now you can use for the monthly membership a code FIRSTMONTHFIVE. That indicates that you can get your first month membership for only $5. And you can look around and make sure it's right for you before continuing your membership. You can always leave, if you're on the monthly membership, you can leave at any time. That's the first thing I wanted to mention. It's been there for several years and I am still adding some content to that, and there can always be more in the future.
The next one is my free Five Career Guide. Now that's a 19 page, I think. Yeah, I think it's kind of like an eBook, 19 pages or so long, and it's free. And you can get that at nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide. You see a pattern here, right? All these are going to be nonclinicalphysicians.com/ some keyword. This one's nonclinicalphysicians.com/freeguide. It's all one word. It's a 19 page eBook.
It's one of the first things I put together. It provides advice for pursuing a career as a physician advisor for utilization management, as a physician advisor for clinical documentation integrity, which most hospitals have these days, as a medical informaticist, as the VP for medical affairs, which definitely is a step up. Those are all obviously in the hospital setting. And then I also added one which is very commonly pursued and is very popular, and that's how to pursue being a medical writer.
On each of these topics, there are some multiple resources, really. I'll look through the first one here and kind of tell you, this is kind of what how I've broken it down. I'm talking about the supporting circumstances, which might help you get into one of these, the typical job listings, the steps to take, and then some useful resources for each of those five. And that's a good starting point if you're interested in one of those jobs. Now, if you're not interested in that, and you're talking about something in pharma or in health insurance or life insurance, or who knows, then this would not be all that helpful.
Then let's step to the next one. Again, this is one I produced several years ago, and I keep adding to it. It's called 70 Nonclinical Careers Checklist. It's the 70 Nonclinical Careers Checklist. It actually has 73 specific unconventional and nonclinical jobs for physicians on it. So it's growing. I think I've caught all the major ones. And it can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/70jobs. You have to give your email address to pick this one up and the previous one as well.
But in this one, it's a list. It's about three or four pages long. It's got 73 specific unconventional and nonclinical jobs for physicians. And most of them, the vast majority of them have some kind of a resource listed that goes along with trying to get this that would support your ability to learn more about it, and maybe to even find some resources to pursue that particular job.
Most of those resources are either a professional organization, or some other useful website that will provide support for you as you narrow that list down to one or two or three, and start working on how you might pursue that job.
All right. The next one is actually a course. It's one single course within the Nonclinical Career academy that I mentioned earlier. And it's very popular because it's a type of job that's very popular because pretty much any physician can pursue it. And it is a segue into the pharma industry. If you don't have any other way in, you don't have a background in research or anything like that. It's a course called Build a Rewarding Lucrative Career as a Medical Science Liaison. And you can find that at nonclinicalphysicians.com/MSLcourse. That's all one word.
This one does have a price tag. I think this is probably the most expensive on this list. It's a little bit under $400 unless sometimes I do specials. But as I said, it's a popular job. And by going through this course, you'll learn the proper lingo, you'll learn where to look, you'll learn about all the resources that I've identified for helping anybody become a medical science liaison.
You could be in an unhappy, unfulfilling job that you're starting to really burn out from. And by going through this course and implementing the things in there within six to eight months, you'll be ready to apply for your first job as an MSL. That's something that's been out there for several years.
And then speaking of courses, here's a course by someone other than myself. And it's one I've been promoting recently. It's closed right now for membership. However, this one is reopened at least twice a year. And this is called Expert Witness Startup School. It's at nonclinicalphysicians.com/ewcourse for expert witness. This is Dr. Gretchen Green's very popular course for becoming an expert witness consultant.
I'm not going to go into great detail here. But if you're in clinical practice, and if you're not averse to working with attorneys, it could be very fun for those that are in the right frame of mind. The course is excellent. It's extremely popular. It consists of four weeks with content for each week and then live sessions with Gretchen, a lot of supporting materials. And if you are thinking, "Okay, I'm a little burned out here", what you can do sometimes is start to do witness, expert witness consulting. And it generates enough revenue that you can cut back on your clinical time to the point where you might be doing I'd say 10 or 20 hours a week of expert witness startup, expert witness work, and then cut your clinical down by at least 20 hours, you'll still end up making a lot more money because the expert witness work is much more lucrative.
I throw that out there because it's been around for over five years. Several of my followers have taken the course and I know that hundreds of other physicians have taken it and successfully started their own expert witness consulting business.
All right, the next two actually are resources that have been created by Dr. Heather Fork. The first one is LinkedIn for Physicians. For many, many careers that you might pursue, whether clinical or non-clinical, a LinkedIn profile is important to create and to maintain. And you can try and struggle through setting up your LinkedIn profile by yourself. And LinkedIn does a fairly good job of walking through it.
But this course by Heather Fork is really a comprehensive LinkedIn course specifically for physicians. It tells you in there how to build your LinkedIn profile so that you'll be attractive to people out there looking for physicians with certain skills and physicians interested in certain types of side gigs and or moving into a nonclinical or unconventional clinical job. If you don't do this right, you can be lost in the mix. But if you have a good LinkedIn profile, as Dr. Fork recommends, it's very useful and very effective for finding those jobs.
Now, the link for this is nonclinicalphysicians.com/linkedIn. That's actually one of the affiliate links that I have on this list. That means that I get a small commission for sending you to her. The same is true for the Expert Witness Startup School and for Dr. Heather Fork's other course, which I'm going to describe in a minute. It doesn't affect the course cost, whatever it is, at whatever level that Heather's asking. It's exactly the same. It's just that because I can send her someone perhaps that she couldn't reach by herself, I get a small commission for that.
It's definitely the best course for learning how to use LinkedIn for physicians. There are other courses out there for the general public, but she even gets into how to network using LinkedIn and specifically as it relates to physicians networking for nonclinical careers. So, it's extremely helpful.
The next one, again, is Dr. Heather Fork's Carpe Diem Resume Kit. This is really an awesome course for creating a really excellent resume. When you're looking for an unconventional or nonclinical job, you usually don't use a CV. You use a resume. It's structured differently and it does take some skill in putting a resume together. And her course walks you through the process and it consists of digital guides and video tutorials, templates, skills builder exercise, because there's certain types of words that you should use. And she goes through and kind of explains the types of words to use, keywords and so forth.
She has actual samples of resumes and a whole lot more in that. That's called the Carpe Diem Resume Kit. And this one can be found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/resumekit. And again, very reasonably priced and will really help you to get that resume in a position where it's going to clearly meet the needs of the company that's recruiting you and the headhunters that are looking at your resume and including all the keywords and other things that make a resume stand out from everybody else's.
All right. The next one is another course called the Medical Affairs Associates Program. It's found at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mantra because it is produced by Dr. Paul Hercock at Mantra Systems. And that's in the UK. This one is rather unique. It's a medical affairs training course suited to physicians and other medical and scientifically trained professionals looking to explore certain jobs in the medical device regulation industry in the UK and then the EU.
Paul Hercock has been on the podcast two or three times. Several years ago, there were some new requirements put in first in the UK and then the rest of the EU where there are medical device regulations. I think that was in 2002. Paul created this short course to teach you how to understand the regulations and how to help to support that. And partly because he hires people to do that. Even if you're in the US, you can do this for Mantra Systems. And for a small price, you can take the course. And then once you've taken the course and demonstrated that you understand the MDR and associated regulations, you can then apply for a job at Mantra or elsewhere for that matter. Again, that one is not an affiliate. There is a price, it's a very small price for what you get out of it. I would recommend you check it out at nonclinicalphysicians.com/mantra.
Well, those are the main ones. But the last one I want to mention before I go, and I do usually promote this on my website and in my podcast episodes, but we're still doing a weekly Nonclinical Physician Q&A. Those currently are being held every Thursday at 02:30 P.M. Eastern, 11:30 A.M. Pacific. I'm in central time. I'm basically logging on at 01:30 in the afternoon on Thursdays, my time. And we hit almost every single week unless I'm traveling or something.
You can access that going back to that nonclinicalphysicians.com/joinnca and looking for the Q&A sessions themselves, which you can sign up for only $5 a month and you'll get three to five posts a month with particular Q&A related to nonclinical and unconventional clinical careers. In fact, another way to access that directly would be go to nonclinicalcareeracademy.com/p/weekly-qa. I'll put that link again in the show notes, but nonclinicalcareeracademy.com. You go there and just scroll down to through all the courses and you'll see the Weekly Q&A and you can sign up and then for very nominal fee, you'll have access to those. And then you can actually join us live for the Q&A.
Probably the easiest way to find out about those is to go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/dailyemail, and you'll be sent emails on a regular basis. They won't be daily, however. Again, that's nonclinicalphysicians.com/dailyemail.
That's it for the free and low cost resources. I wanted to mention today, I'll probably do another episode like this a few months down the road with some of the other resources that I've come across over the years. But for all of today's links and a transcript of today's interview, go to nonclinicalphysicians.com/valuable-resources.
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