In this podcast episode, we learn more on how to publish a book and promote your business, in Part 2 of our interview with Dr. Debra Blaine.

Dr. Blaine, a former physician turned full-time author, continues to share her insights on the writing and self-publishing process.

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Overcoming Writer's Block and Setting Realistic Goals

Dr. Blaine emphasizes the importance of manageable writing goals, suggesting that aspiring authors shouldn't feel pressured to write a 300-page book immediately. She recommends breaking the writing process into smaller, less overwhelming pieces.

Dr. Blaine also shares tips on crafting engaging openings and maintaining reader interest throughout a book, including using “hooks” at the beginning of chapters and “cliffhangers” at the end.

Practical Writing Tips from a Seasoned Author

Dr. Blaine offers practical advice for aspiring writers, including keeping detailed notes on characters and plot points. She discusses her current projects, including a guide on the elements of fiction writing and a new trilogy.

Debra emphasizes the value of consistent writing habits, suggesting that authors find a routine that works for them, whether it's writing every morning or setting aside specific times during the week.

Summary

To learn more or connect with Dr. Blaine, you can visit her website, allthingswriting.com, email her at db@allthingswriting.com, or find her on LinkedIn. Debra's books are available on her website and at Amazon, and she offers a free novella titled Deadly Algorithm through her website, providing an excellent introduction to her writing style and themes.

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• Debra's latest book on writing a novel: The WriteR Stuff: Secret Sauce of Writing Fiction
• For an example of Debra's writing download a free copy of Deadly Algorithm
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• Debra's LinkedIn Page
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Part 2 - More on How to Publish a Book

John: The question is when you're doing the coaching and people need help, you said it was the creative side.

Dr. Debra Blaine: It's the creative side, and feeling overwhelmed. A lot of them thinking I can't write a whole book. And so, the first thing is you don't need to write a whole book. Nobody eats a slice of pizza in one bite. You write a piece of the book and it doesn't have to be a 300 page book. It can be a 100 page book. It could be an 80 page book. You can sort of figure it out so that you don't overwhelm yourself. That and getting organized, helping them to organize.

John: Okay. I'm not going to jump into writing the memoir of my entire family, my nine siblings and all of their families and my parents and aunts and uncles and everything in over a span of 80 years or something. No, I'll remember not to do that for sure.

But I did notice recently, and I don't know if it was, I was reading a book or watching a movie or both was that I need something to get me interested in the first page. Like you said, if there's something happening right now, you just into it, you have no idea who you're reading about, what their motivation is, what's going on, except something is happening. That's a good way to get me at least interested in the book.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Yeah, and that's called the hook. And not only do you want your title to represent the book and be a little bit of a hook, your metadata, the book description, that first line that says what the book is about, that's got to be a hook. But then when you start your first paragraph should be a hook. One of the things that a lot of new authors do, in particular, is they start off the book with it was the best of times, it was the worst of times, which is great, because they had a longer attention span back then. But when I write a book, a lot of times when I consult with my author clients, I have them jump into a scene, it's already happening around you. It doesn't have to be the main character. But what is the emotional stress on this character? And why? And so, immediately, who is the person? What is the conflict? Why do we care?

And so, not everybody's going to love every book, right? But for those who are going to be your readers, they're going to eat that up. And then they're going to keep going. And at the end of every chapter, you don't want to leave the end of the chapter, "Okay, and she went to bed feeling much better." Chapter three. I can put that down and I forgot to pick that up. Oh, three months later. She went to bed, but the question was still in her mind of what happened to whatever, fill in the blank. You always want to end the chapter with a little bit of a hook that makes the reader want, I don't want to see what's happening and turn that page.

John: Isn't that how soap operas do it? There's a cliffhanger at the end of each episode. And so you'll come back next week.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Yeah, exactly. Right.

John: Something like that. Yeah. I don't know, when you get older, it seems like time is going faster. This is totally off the wall, but I just mentioned when I'm reading a book, each chapter towards the end seems to go faster than the ones that were the first half of the book. Is that just my imagination?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Well, it could be. In my books I tend to write short chapters, although this trilogy that I'm writing, I've noticed that the chapters are longer, but it depends. Some authors write shorter chapters. Take a look, look at the old books, the days of your, and if the chapter was 25 pages, and then this one is only five pages, well, then it's not you.

John: I see, they're manipulating me. Okay. I was going to ask you about some lessons you've learned that want to make sure prospective writers or current writers might learn from to make things a little easier for them if they decide to do this kind of thing.

Dr. Debra Blaine: I didn't know anything about really book writing when I started. I had this story to tell and I mixed it in. I had the story to tell about what's happening in healthcare, but I mixed it in with this medical thriller about people hacking into our EMRs and extorting money and killing the patients. I didn't have a sense of... I read a lot when I was a kid. I kind of understood instinctively the arc of a story and that I wanted my characters to be really interesting people and what makes somebody interesting. They learn things about themselves, but there were so many things I didn't understand. And even though I worked with a mentor for a year and he helped me tremendously. I used to say that I got my master's from Rich Cravolin because he used to be a professor at the University of Southern California, but he didn't send me a certificate. But there's so much more, I guess the PhD version. There's so much more.

I love that you're familiar with my books. I wrote Undo Influences and then I wrote Beyond The Pillars of Salt. And then I wrote the Meraki Effect and that was followed by the Meraki Nexus. In trying to put those together, what I didn't know then is that a series sells faster. Now, when I was writing my first book, don't talk to me about series. I got this one book and that's all I can handle, but series sell faster. And since in those three books or four books, I kind of used the same characters. I liked the characters. I had developed the characters. I liked what they stood for. There was one that I didn't like too much. So I knocked them off, which is something you can do when you're an author.

But the difference was, is that the first one, Undo Influences is a conspiracy thriller, a government conspiracy political thriller, takes place in 2020. Beyond the Pillars of Salt is sort of a natural progression of what happens to those people and to the world with climate change and dictatorship like government that we seem to be headed for, at least at the time. And so, then that became more of a dystopian. And then like a dystopian is almost by definition, science fiction. And then what did they do? They had to leave planet earth and figured out how to do that, try to make it as realistic as possible. And then they got to planet Meraki. And so, that was a pure science fiction colonization, space opera, whatever.

I tried to put them together. I completely confused the Amazon algorithm. Seriously, it's an algorithm. It learns some things, but it's also kind of stupid. But it's a political, contemporary political thriller, dystopian science fiction, and then pure science fiction. Dystopian fiction, mostly on earth and then science fiction on another planet. And my sales went like through the floor. The things that I didn't realize is, this time I'm writing this trilogy and I'm going to keep it all in one genre and I'm going to write it to market.

The interesting thing is, I know self-published authors. I personally know self-published authors who are five, six, and seven digit authors. And I know of traditionally published authors who are probably five, six, and seven digits or more like James Patterson or somebody who has other people write most of his books now, by the way. But I know these people, I've spoken to these people. They're my coaches. They've told me how to work things. I didn't know this stuff before. And so, it's really helpful.

I've also heard and seen that most writers don't make it big until they've published a number of books. One of our colleagues, Freda McFadden, I'll throw in a plug for her though, not that she needs it. She is a neurologist. She has written, she has completely dominated the top 20 Amazon thrillers for the last six, eight months. She earned so much money from that. I don't know how much exactly, but I can promise you, she's probably in seven digits at this point. But she told me it took her nine years to become an overnight sensation.

John: Right.

Dr. Debra Blaine: She's got like 20 books out. My friend Christina's got 20 books out. A lot of hers are novellas. People do it with novellas too. But the magic number they said is about five or six where you start to see that you really can, because there's so many books out there. And when people buy a book, they want to know if they like it, that the author's written other things because they want to stick with that author.

John: Let me ask you a quick question. In the online world, there's this thing, you've probably heard of it, a thousand true fans. If you have a thousand true fans, whether you're selling photos or you're selling books or whatever, or a podcast or whatever, if you have a thousand true fans, which means they'll buy anything you produce. Have you ever calculated whether that would be sufficient to meet a certain level of success?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Well, you need to sell more than a thousand books.

John: But if you have 10 books out.

Dr. Debra Blaine: If you have 10 books, now you've got 10,000. And if they're true fans and they tell other people. So if you figure the average royalty, if you do it yourself is between... Well, the little guy, it's less because it's a small book. I can charge less because the printing cost, the paper costs and the paper costs has gone up. With an eBook, most of the places, if you self-publish will give you 70% of the profits as opposed to Ingram says they give you 70%, but I never got more than a buck and a half. And whatever their processing fees are.

But let's say you're getting $4 a book and you sell a thousand in a month, then you got $4,000. Once you start selling, that's how my little guy got to be number one and stay there for so long. Because I sold 52 copies in the first week. And when that happens, once it starts selling, then Amazon, the algorithm again, starts saying, "Okay, this book, people like this book", and it starts showing it to random people. Even if they're not the people that heard about it from me from somewhere.

And so, the more popular your book is, this is the way all social media works. When you post something on Instagram, if somebody likes it, that's great. But if they comment on it, then the algorithm thinks, "Oh, people like this", the more people that have commented on it, the more people Instagram will show you or not hate Instagram, I can't really figure it out. But the algorithm part I understand. And it's the same for Facebook, for LinkedIn, for Amazon, for any of these places. The more people are interested, it thinks more people will be interested. And because Amazon wants to sell books, it wants to present the one that seems to be selling so we can make even more money.

John: Right. It behooves us to maybe if we're doing something like that, to get a big bump at the beginning somehow.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Well, that's what I did. Actually when I published this little puppy, I put it up for the first week for 99 cents. And a bunch of people bought it. Now, I don't think 52 people that I presented to bought it. But a lot of other people bought it when it was on sale for 99. So now it's $3.99. But other people bought it. And then it stayed up there for two weeks. It was in the top five.

John: When I want to learn something, it's been a while, but I would just go on to Amazon and look, they have free books and then they have 99 cent books. And so, if I say, well, I want to learn about this, I'm just going to buy the first five of those books for five bucks. And so, there is some motivation there. People are looking for that because they know there's a good chance it's going to have good information. It's not going to usually be garbage or the person wouldn't have taken the time to produce it and get it out.

Dr. Debra Blaine: You'd be surprised. Some things are.

John: But some things are.

Dr. Debra Blaine: The thing with that is Amazon doesn't really want you to put your book up for 99 cents because they don't make any money. What they do is if your eBook is between $2.99 and $9.99, they give you 70% in royalties. There's no printing costs or anything. If it's below $2.99 or if it's above $9.99, they give you 35%. 52 people bought this, but I didn't make any money on it. It was more to get it up there and get it to where it was going to be seen. They each have their and the printing price when you go to put something up when you self-publish it, it's going to tell you as you're in the different stages that you enter it, it's going to tell you, okay, this is your book. This is how many pages it is because it's going to have looked at it before you get to that stage and it'll say the print cost will be, and it can be $2 if it's a tiny book, or it could be $5 or $6, or if it's a hardcover, it's going to be maybe $12 or $14, which is why hardcover books cost more. When you calculate your royalties for a print book, you're going to take the cost of the book. Amazon gets 40% of anything in print. Take the 40% off, then take the cost of printing and subtract that from what's left from your 60% and the rest is yours.

And when you punch it in, you say, okay, I want to charge $8.99 for this book and it'll calculate and say, this is going to be your royalty. I want to charge $12.99. Okay, this is going to be your royalty. I want to charge $4.99 and say, nope, can't do that, it's costing us more to print that. Really, you're not blind to it. You know exactly what you're going to get.

John: All right. Well, I think we're about out of time here. We've covered a lot of things, answered a lot of my questions. All right. Did you already mention what you're working on now?

Dr. Debra Blaine: I'm working on the sister to this guy, which is going to be about how to organize your book. What is a story arc? What is a character arc? How do you develop characters? How do you write convincing dialogue? The basic elements of fiction and applying it. And then I even have one example of taking a story, "Sue found a cat under a bush and took it in." Well, that's a plot, but the whole story arc, I go into this whole thing and what she was feeling when she found it and what happened when she picked it up because it's a scared cat and the vet bill. I created a story arc, but I also use examples from real time, like movies that we know and books that we know. That's that book.

John: I have a question about that.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Yeah.

John: That comes in my head also while you're talking. Do you have to keep a bio on your characters handy, or do you remember everything about how your characters think, what they would do in this situation, that situation, or you just wing it? How do you figure that out?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Great question. No, I can't keep all that on hand. Sometimes I can't even remember the name of what was her husband's name. But what I do is when I write, I have two documents going. I have the book and then I have the notes for the book, kind of like your show notes, maybe. And I list things. First of all, I'll write out the general arc of the story. I'll write out who are the characters and I'll put something about each character. And then when something significant happens, I'll add it. Okay, this woman was actually married to that guy and he did this. And I'll add those things and I save that.

And I do a lot of research when I write my books. Some of it's scientific, some of it medical, some of it physics, whatever. And I'll copy that and put it in too. I have it all so I can go back to it, not just in writing this book, but for the next book. Yeah, I can't remember all that.

John: I would think you'd need some kind of cheat sheet.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Yeah, how do you do that? I don't know anybody who can just sit down and... Maybe Frida can, I don't know.

John: I like to read series. As you mentioned, those are very popular. So I have this Michael Connolly has a series, he's like up to 30 books now. There's no way you could remember the characters, especially when he skips a book or two and then goes back to these old characters.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Right, right. Instead of reading the book again. But the other book I'm working on, which I'm really excited about, because this one it's more of a term paper kind of thing. I just started a trilogy. And did you read? Now I'm not intimidated by the idea of I'm going to write a trilogy because, well, yeah, I've written I've written seven books. Why can't I have a trilogy? So I can write three more. I don't know if you read. I put out a little freebie reader magnet Deadly Algorithm.

John: No, I have not read that. I saw it on your website.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Yeah, I can send you if you're interested. We can put the link in there because it's free if anybody wants it. It does put you on my newsletter, which is something I learned that authors need to have. But in that book, it's a medical thriller and it's got some EMR things and quirks. But what happens in the book is the mother. There's a child, a four year old child that has to be left behind with the dad.

And so, what I'm doing now is it's 12 years later and that child is looking for her mother. And so, this is going to be the quest and the bad guy, the antagonist in in the novella in Deadly Algorithm is basically corporate greed insurance companies, big pharma, they don't want to pay for health care anymore. So there they want people to die. And this particular character, who's the main character of that story, doesn't have any medical problems, but they give her one, a medical problem for which the cure will kill her. And so, why is that happening? And she has to run. Anyway, you can get that in just the blurb about it. So this is not 12 years later.

And now it's going to be where the real bad guy is way bigger than big pharma. And in the first part, the first book is going to be about Jenna searching for her family and what leads her to have to do that. And then ultimately, the population of the earth has been thinning due to climate change and people and too many resources depleted. And where is that going? I don't want to say the end of the book, but it's going to be that she said that that's a cat. She said, No, don't do it. But the bigger antagonist, the bigger evil is going to be way, way bigger. And it's going to have something to do with artificial intelligence. That's all I'm going to say, because that's the big thing these days.

And this time, I've got a lot of detail on that first book. I've got the second book, sort of roughly outlined, but I know where I'm going with it. And the same with the third. And I'm really excited about it, because this time, I'm writing it to market. I'm putting in the things that I didn't know to do before. So, how do you write to market? You find books that are like the book you want to write. And you look at them and compare them. How old is the protagonist? What's the setting? What's the year? Where are they? What are the common? What are the tropes that you find in there? What are the flaws of the characters? Now, that doesn't mean my book is going to be anything like them. But to just make sure that readers who expect those kinds of emotional bounces, we'll get them.

John: Nice, nice.

Dr. Debra Blaine: I'm excited about it.

John: Okay, that's going to be good. That'll be good for another podcast episode then. Okay, where should we find you? allthingswriting.com? Is that the best place to start?

Dr. Debra Blaine: That's my website, allthingswriting.com. And you can also find me on LinkedIn. And you can email me at db@allthingswriting.com. I don't know if you want to put in, there's a Calendly link, which you can find on my website. It's hard to know if I was able to get it into LinkedIn, I don't think I was. I was trying to figure that out.

John: But I always ask authors this, writers this. Probably you've already answered it. But should they go to your website to buy the books? If you go to your website anyway, to check them out, but I do end up just pushing them off to some other site or do you sell from the website?

Dr. Debra Blaine: I haven't started selling from the website because it's complicated. But Amazon is a great place to go. You can just do just do a Google search Debra Blaine books. And you'll come up with my books. And the nice thing is that the more even though I would get more money if I sold them myself, the more people buy it from Amazon, that algorithm kicks up. So it helps.

John: Right, right. Okay, well, I'm going to let you go now here in a second. You have a minute or two, if you have any bit of last minute advice for the listeners, maybe try to convince them to become a writer or not become a writer or a novelist.

Dr. Debra Blaine: I had a note about that, but I can't find it. My advice is write. If you have a story in your head, we call it a word dump. Just start writing it. Don't edit it while you're writing it. It's a first draft. It's a rough draft. It's not even your first draft. Because you can get so bogged down. And you don't have to figure "I'm going to write 80,000 words." You don't even think in terms of words. Put the word ticker on later but if you don't start writing, nothing will get down there. I used to have a mantra when I was writing Code Blue. And it was, "It's not going to write itself." Because I was one of those people who wanted to have written as opposed to wanting to write. But it doesn't happen like that.

John: Are you disciplined now? Can you black out so many so much time where you're going to write? Or do you kind of wing it now when you feel real productive to do more and then other days...?

Dr. Debra Blaine: I try to write every morning. My brain is crisper in the morning. And that's still that whole COVID thing. And I schedule clients usually in the afternoons and evenings. And even if I feel like I'm waning, I don't want to say sundowning. But if I'm waning, once I'm talking to someone, that energy that we bounce off each other, that ignites me and that's really helpful. It's a different part of my brain, but to sit and to write and to do the research and go back and forth. I try to do that in the mornings. And I try to write every morning.

John: Nice. That's good. That's good. Sounds like something that we should emulate if we're going to try and do that.

Dr. Debra Blaine: You don't have to do it every morning. As long as you put aside whatever time it is for you. And let's say it's only three times a week. Three evenings a week I'm going to tell my family, please just give me an hour. And it's the inertia I think of, you need to get started. Sometimes I'll say I can only write for 20 minutes and it'll end up being an hour and a half because it's getting started.

John: Once you get going, it's like a lot of things. I might have to split this into two episodes, Debra, but it's okay. Because then I don't have to do another episode. I'll just spread this out. Nobody wants to listen for an hour and they can break it up themselves, but I tend to go. I'll think about that after we hang up here.

All right. But with that, I'm going to say goodbye officially from the podcast and thank you for spending all this time with us today.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Thank you. Thank you so much. I always love talking to you.

John: You should read the books guys, because they're entertaining. It's an escape. Reading, relaxing, walking.

Dr. Debra Blaine: And you write the best reviews for me too. Well, that's the other thing. Please write review. The reviews are the hardest thing to get. It's really hard.

John: I'm going to put that in the show notes too. I'm going to say, here's the link. If you want to look for the books or you can go to Amazon here and always write a review if you do that, because the author definitely needs that. All right, then, you take care.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Okay. Thank you so much, John.

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In this podcast episode, John interviews Dr. Debra Blaine, a returning guest from 2022, for Part 1 of a discussion on how to publish a book and promote your business.

Dr. Blaine, a family physician turned full-time author, shares her experiences transitioning from medical practice to writing and self-publishing seven books since 2017.

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The Power of Self-Publishing

Dr. Debra Blaine shares her journey from medical practice to full-time author, having published seven books since 2017. She discusses the advantages of self-publishing, including greater control over the publishing process, faster turnaround times, and significantly higher royalties.

Self-publishing allows authors to maintain ownership of their work and make decisions about cover design, titles, and content without interference from traditional publishers.

Crafting Compelling Fiction

Drawing from her experience as an author and coach, Dr. Blaine offers insights into creating engaging fiction. She stresses the importance of a strong story arc, believable characters, and natural dialogue. The post discusses techniques for hooking readers from the first pages and creating emotional connections with characters.

Summary

In Part 1 of this 2-part episode, returning guest Deborah Blaine discusses her transition from physician to full-time author. She explains the benefits of self-publishing. She also shares insights on self-publishing, including tools, techniques, and the importance of effective book design and metadata. Finally, she offers her advice on crafting compelling fiction, focusing on the creative aspects of writing.

Links for today's episode:

• Dr. Debra Blaine's Website: All Things Writing
• Debra's book on self-publishing, The WriteR Stuff: Step-by-Step Guide to Self-Publishing and Worldwide Distribution
• Debra's latest book on writing a novel: The WriteR Stuff: Secret Sauce of Writing Fiction
• For an example of Debra's writing download a free copy of Deadly Algorithm
• Vellum, the software Debra uses to write her books (this is an affiliate link)
• Debra's LinkedIn Page
• Purchase Your All Action Pass Videos and Bonuses from the 2024 Summit (Use Coupon Code 30-OFF)
• The Nonclinical Career Academy

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Transcription PNC Podcast Episode 372

How to Publish a Book and Promote Your Business - Part 1

John: I really enjoy reading novels. I've slowed down recently, but I probably read 10 or 15 novels when I was really in the mood to read some years. But that's in addition to all the business and self-help books, things like that over the years. And I've always been impressed by the combination of creativity and discipline that successful novelists have. So, I think of people that are creative as being creative. But to be creative and disciplined, that's something a little bit different.

Anyway, I invited Dr. Debra Blaine back to the podcast now because she's a novelist. She's been writing for years. She's been on the podcast two or three times before. And she just recently self-published a book on self-publishing. That was very Meta. So welcome back, Debra, to the podcast.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Thank you so much, John. Thanks for having me.

John: It's always fun when we get together. We have a lot to talk about, but you've been very busy. I don't talk to too many writers that can say that you've written how many books in how many years now?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Well, I started just writing a first draft in 2017, but I have now published seven books.

John: Okay.

Dr. Debra Blaine: And I'm working on some more.

John: That's quite a lot of productivity there from the writing standpoint. So if you can keep that up, then you'll have a lot of books out there over the years. And the other thing, of course, the listeners should remember that one of the things that makes you unique, I've had other writers on, but they're mostly medical writers, but you made a commitment. You decided, "You know what? I'm going to stop practicing and I am going to try to grow this writing thing to be sort of my new vocation." Is that what I recall correctly?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Correctly.

John: Okay. And you're actually the only one I've ever interviewed that has written a novel or six. And I had one poet once that wrote a book of poetry. I don't know if that that doesn't quite count. I don't think so. Anyway, let's get into what's new with you. Fill us in since you know what's been going on since we talked. Oh, it's been about almost two years ago.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Great. It's interesting. You said I decided. I was writing as kind of a side gig. Sometimes life comes along and kicks you in the butt and says, okay, you're really miserable practicing medicine and you're not going to do this anymore, even though you think that maybe you should or whatever reason. I got Covid about 18 months ago and it completely changed my life. I'm a very special person. I'm one of the seven percent who got long Covid. And I still even now, I cannot focus for 12 hours straight. I don't have the stamina to go from room to room, to room, to room and spend every moment of those 12 hours concentrating or treating patients thinking I need to take breaks. And what they told me was when I asked them and I said, "Listen, I'll come back to work, but I'm going to need to take a 10 minute break every three or four hours." And they actually wrote it in a text. "Unfortunately, there are no breaks in urgent care."

And so that being said, I resigned. I was on disability for six months and then that ran out. And then life kicked in and kicked me in the butt and said, okay, you have the side gig. And I think that even if that hadn't happened, I feel like a lot of my life and a lot of perhaps other people's lives is constantly redefining where we're going. It's like if we're headed in one direction, sometimes it's not quite due north. Maybe it's northeast a little bit. Or maybe I need to take a detour over here. It's kind of a zigzag finding my way. It has been for me to find my way into what I really enjoy doing and to be able to throw myself into it.

I started writing in 2017, a few words scribbled on a couple of pages. I published that book in 2019. And since then, I've put out six more books. And this summer I put out two books. One of them is really short. The self-publishing book is pretty short. And I'm working on I'm working on two books now. And one of them is also a nonfiction, it's going to be a guide. And I'm going to come up with a better name for it, but a guide to fiction writers, the elements of fiction. What do you need to put in? How do you how do you determine a story arc? How do you develop characters so that it's more of a how to without having to get a master's degree in writing. Just in a short little book bum, bum, bum. These are the things to put in. This is why. And these are tips. I'm going to hopefully have that out in a couple of weeks.

John: But I have a question since you mentioned writing two books. The most writers, this is how I would think of it, would I would keep I would try and work on one till it was pretty much done and then go to the next as opposed to going to write two or three or four all simultaneously. I assume different authors, writers just do it differently.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Yeah. I thought I was absolutely out of my mind. But to me, they're different sides of the brain. Writing a guide about how to write fiction is kind of like writing a term paper, but making it interesting and fun. Whereas the trilogy I just started is a complete my right side of the brain. And it's a whole different kind of thinking. So they don't really clash. But the one of our colleagues who said she kindly said she would take a look at it when it's finished to tell me if I forgot anything. She said she's working on two books right now. And so she would get to a couple of weeks. I said, oh, I'm not the only one.

John: Yeah.

Dr. Debra Blaine: So I guess not. But yes, I think common sense. And certainly if you're a beginning writer, I would focus on one.

John: Yeah, that makes sense. I can imagine, though, the great writers that we all have our favorites. I could imagine if that was their full time occupation and they were really putting 40, 50 hours a week in it, that they might have three or four things going on at once, because I know there's certain times of the day, certain days of the week. And just the way your mind works, sometimes it's more focused on certain things than other things.

Dr. Debra Blaine: And some of them have ghostwriters for them, too.

John: Well, I got some questions for you today. We'll just kind of go wherever you want to go, but tell us about the self-publishing book. Why did you write it? And then you can tell us, some of the advantages to self-publishing while you're talking about that.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Okay. Just as a caveat to that, I'm going to say or a segue into that is that I think I've spent as much time studying, learning, going to webinars, reading about the authorship process, including publishing, as I did in basic sciences. And so, I learned to self-publish. And when I did that, everything changed for me. I could put books out so much faster. I could do it on my timeline. And I wanted to share that. I wanted other people to know that there's other options. If you want to go the traditional publishing road, you have to query an agent and the agent has to find a publisher. And the process can take forever and literally because you may not ever find someone. Agents, I think they get like 200 queries a week and they have to go through. And most of the time, traditional publishers will not entertain your submission without it coming through an agent. And then there's hybrid publishers, but I wanted to be able to offer people how do you do it yourself because you can use a hybrid, which is a whole other thing.

Hybrids are pretty pricey. They go anywhere from like $5,000 to $7,000 to $15,000 to $17,000. I know one of our colleagues spent $17,000 on a done for you that was not really done for you. And I was like, wow, I did all that for a client and I didn't charge nearly that much. And I couldn't. I wouldn't ever do that like in in good conscience. I couldn't do that. But just to be able to show people that it's not hard.

I'm a technology challenged individual. If it's a software, I'm leaving. Until a couple of years ago, I didn't think I could handle anything like that. But when I spoke to, actually, it's the same person who's going to look at my book coming up and tell me if I'm missing anything. And she's published like twenty five books now. She's a successful author. I only knew her from the women physician writers group and Facebook group. But I remember I messaged her that I was thinking about using this self-publishing company and she messaged me back immediately "Stay away from this company." I was like, whoa. And then we got on the phone a few days later and she spent 45 minutes with me just telling me, "Okay, this is what you do. You do this, this, this and this. You know all the parts that go in the book because you already published two books with the hybrid. And I recommend that you set up accounts with each distributor."

It's a pain in the butt, but for her it was worth it because of the control she had and the visibility that she had and the ability to get paid quickly with royalties. I ended up doing that. That first book that I self-published was Beyond the Pillars of Salt. And from the time that I finished my final draft, which is when I would have sent it back to the hybrid because they were willing to publish another one for some another exorbitant fee. I think it would have been $9,000. From that day to the starting from there. I sent it to an editor. I got a cover designer. I got my ISBNs. I filled in everything I needed to do. I set up the accounts to the time that it was released and available everywhere around the world was 67 days.

The first two books, first they said six months and it came out in eight months. The second one, they told me six months. It came out in 11 months. And then for this third book, I was like, "Well, how much can you promise me? Because I want to wait a year with this." And they said, "Well, we can promise to a year", which could be 18 months. And so, that's when I said, okay, I'm going to try this. And I kind of very gingerly stepped into it.

And you can't tell that it's self-published. It's printed. The people who print it are the same people who print the traditionally published books. And as long as you have the software that I use, I use Vellum software, and it gives you all this. It creates the beginning of your copyright page. It creates your table of contents. It offers you a dedication page and an acknowledgement page and all the things that you want to put in. And now it's come up with things where if you add back matter, we can talk about back matter in a bit. It'll save that and add it to all your other books. If you want to say here's how to get in touch with me, you don't have to put it in every single time.

And the price, you can't beat the price because you pay once. First of all, you don't even pay right away. This was what helped me because they said I can download the software. I can play with it. I can put my stuff in. If it looks like I like it and I want to generate a book, then I pay them. I can hold on to it for six months and never use it. Whereas there's another one called Vellum is only good for a MacBook, Apple. But there's another one, Atticus, which is very popular, which is you can use on either PC or a Mac. They make you pay up front, but you have a 30 day where you can return it. I would guess, and I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that if you use it to generate books, you can no longer return it. But with either of these, you get unlimited books, eBooks or print books. When I generate files, I have separate files for Kindle, Nook, a generic EPUB, Apple Books, and a print. And it breaks it down for me. So when I go to upload those books, I just choose the correct file and there it goes.

John: All right. So let me ask a question here because I'm thinking some of our listeners are like me, like total novices. And what I know a little bit about is, there's a lot put out there about how to make money on the internet, writing books and that. But the whole gist I got from that was that if you put something together and it's done well, and it's helpful to people and you put it out there, someone's going to buy it. And if you can cut out the middleman, you can make more money selling it. But it never occurred to me, if you have this software, whatever it might be, Vellum, you mentioned, once you're using the software, you can write the book in Vellum, right? Isn't that how that works?

Dr. Debra Blaine: You can.

John: Do you do it like in Word or something else?

Dr. Debra Blaine: I do it in Word and then I upload the file. You can do it in Vellum. It's a different screen and I like the features that I have in Word better.

John: Okay. But it converts that easily, right?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Oh, yeah. It's got to be a DocX file.

John: Yeah.

Dr. Debra Blaine: Or a Word file or a Scrivener file.

John: But I'd never thought about that. Well, once you've done that, as you said, I never thought that, "Wow, if I write another book and then load that, everything else is already in there from the first book."

Dr. Debra Blaine: Yeah. You have to set it up for that.

John: Yeah. Awesome. Well, that's cool. Anyway, go on. Let's see, where were we? We're talking about, you learned all this and you've been using it. What are the other advantages besides the time component and the fact that it's really not that costly, but the other advantages to self-publishing?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Okay. I want to just add on, did you ask me why I started doing it? One of the things that I do for clients, for authors, is I help them self-publish their own book, which is often about their side gig. Because when you have a side gig, if you have either an eBook up on your website or a book on Amazon, and by the way, it can be available anywhere. You can have it go through IngramSpark and be distributed wherever you want. It's an unconscious assumption. If they have a book, they must know what they're talking about.

John: Right. That's right.

Dr. Debra Blaine: I had encouraged a lot of people and worked with people to write a book about their side gig and I hadn't done one myself and I thought, "Well, that's really stupid." That's why I started that. But the advantages are, there's two major advantages. One is the control that you have in terms of your timeline and the fact that you own your book. And the other big one is the money, the royalties.

When I took my books back from the hybrid and put them up myself, my royalties increased four times. And not only that, but when someone else is publishing your book it takes six months for them to tell you, "Okay, this is what you earned." Your earnings are a pittance and you don't see what's happening in between unless you bug them and ask them. And if they're in a good mood, they might tell you.

But when you self-publish, with Ingram, it's still the same. You can see what's happening, but you don't get paid for six months. But for example, on Amazon or Kobo or Apple or Barnes & Noble, you see day by day, how many people are buying your book and you get paid every 30 days. I think Barnes & Noble won't pay you unless you've got at least $10 in royalties, but hopefully you will. And they'll pay you direct deposit to your account. You set up your own accounts. Nobody else is putting their fingers in the middle. And it takes that whole part of when you're wanting to write a book and then you finish the book and you think, oh, great. And it's like, oh, I got to publish it now. That means you got to write a query letter and you got to find an agent and every agent wants a different kind of query letter.

So you can't just make one letter and send it to a bunch of people. You have to tailor it to each person. It just takes so much of that stress out of it. And then you have the control. If a traditional publisher picks up your book, they'll pay for everything, but they'll also tell you you're using this cover. We don't like your title. We're using this title. And you know what? This chapter doesn't fit. We want to get rid of it. We want you to write a chapter like that.

One of our colleagues has done well in terms of getting her books published.    I think on the third book, she's with a traditional publisher. She wanted to write about a male main character, a male hero, instead of a female. And they said, no, we won't publish that because we have you in the female lead and we don't need you as a male lead. So you lose a lot and you don't own your book. And this way I own my books.

John: Okay. Now I was going to ask you to go over at the high level, the process of writing a book, but we might as well stop right here and just tell us about your book about self-publishing because bottom line is they're not going to remember everything that we talk about today, unless you're really taking great notes. And what they need to do is just get your book on self-publishing. So why don't you give us that information right now?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Okay. What I have in the book, actually I didn't want to miss anything. I wrote it somewhere so that I could take a look. I talk about the different kinds of publishing. I talk about how to get an editor. I'm an editor too, by the way. I learned to do that. How to get a cover design, what you want from your cover design. People do judge a book by their covers and how to figure out what's going to be effective because there are strategies to this.

See, I didn't know any of this before. The hybrid completely got the cover wrong for one of my books, Undo Influences. And I was told by someone that it looked like a psychology self-help book and it's a political thriller.

John: Yeah. I think the original has a picture of a brain on the front.

Dr. Debra Blaine: It does. You changed it.

John: You changed that. You got rid of that.

Dr. Debra Blaine: I got rid of that. I got rid of it. And now it looks like a thriller. And the sales went up and my royalties went up because for every sale, my royalties went up. I talk about how to format, setting up accounts, metadata and back matter. Once you have a couple of books, you may want to put in the back of the book, "Hey, see my other book? If you liked this book, go to this book, join my newsletter." I talk about how to do that and where to do that, because there are certain places where it's like the classic book, you think of once upon a time and then the end. The moment you write the end, Amazon, for example, if you're on a Kindle, we'll stop showing you the rest. You can go to it, but it'll immediately flip you to something else to buy because the book is over. So how do you get your messages, your links in before the end? Well, for one thing, you need to write the end and you don't end the chapter. When you finish the story, you put an ornamental break in there. And then if you like this, Amazon thinks it's still part of the algorithm, thinks it's still part of the meat of the book. Your reader will know that it's not part of the reader. If you wrote a good ending.

So, there's so many things that I've learned about, and I try to put a little bit of everything into that book I just published. I didn't want to put everything in, all the detail. Because it is overwhelming and I don't want to overwhelm anyone. That book is really for people who have written what they want to write and they're ready to publish and they know a little bit about it. They know my book needs, I want to put a dedication in it. I want to put an acknowledgement in it. I want the different things that they want to add about the author. They want to know where can I put a link to something else? Where do I put my other books? And that's what the purpose of that book and how to format and how to use software.

I also talk a little bit about how to write metadata. Metadata is your book description. I think it's official that human beings have the attention span of a goldfish. Have more attention than we do. We're just bombarded with so much information and people scan, but to get them to stop and read, you have about three seconds or less. You got to hit them with a hook, something that immediately makes them say, "Oh, I want to read about that." And so, you want to target that hook to the people who would be interested in your book. You don't want to hook someone who wants a great cooking recipe and then talk about a cozy mystery. You want to be appropriate.

I talk a little bit about writing metadata, the keywords, where you find your keywords. I didn't know anything about keywords and categories. And when I was getting it published by the hybrid, and certainly if a trad publisher, did they choose all that for you? Sometimes they're not working so well.

When you do it yourself, you can go right back in and change your keywords. You can change your categories and you can test it and say, "Okay, let's see if that works better." And I talk about how to calculate royalties. Just down to the nitty gritty, down to the penny. How do you calculate the royalties? What happens when you have so many fingers in the pie and where the money goes? Or in the case of Ingram, sometimes we don't really know where the money goes. It just disappears. And some of the common mistakes that authors make.

And then I have a checklist at the end for do it yourself. Bum, bum, bum, you're going to do this, this, this. While your book's being edited, you're going to get your cover designer. You're going to set up your account. I try to put it in a really simple format.

John: Nice. It sounds pretty comprehensive, but not overwhelming. Now you mentioned that you help others do this personally. And I think you have training as a coach.

Dr. Debra Blaine: I'm certified as a coach and a master trainer coach as well.

John: Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. You have all the skills already to facilitate people on whatever it is they're doing whether it's life skills or writing a book. So what is the typical person come to you for now in terms of helping them? Is it the software? Is it more of the creative process, all the above?

Dr. Debra Blaine: I have more clients for the creative process, which is why I'm going to release another self-help book. My books are called the "Writer Stuff. And this is going to be the second one. And it's going to be just outlining what is the story arc and why is it important? How do you create dialogue that doesn't sound like he said, she said? How do you develop your characters so that they're believable and they're deep in there and people can get emotionally connected with them?

Characters drive your story always, and you have to care about your character. There's a book that was written called Save The Cat. I'm just going to work from the title because I'm not working from the whole book, but the idea that if you have a villain who you start the book, because you always want to start your book with something that draws the reader in. If the reader is not interested in the first two pages goldfish mentality, they're going to look inside, they're going to be like, "Yeah, I'll look for another book."

So you had to draw the reader in. So you got this guy, he's running because he just killed three people and he's slashed another one and he's running away. And then the police are after him. And as he goes into an alley, he hears a cat stuck on a fire escape and he stops and he brings the cat and he gets the cat to the ground and then runs off. Now, the police are even closer to him. So now it's like, okay, this is some evil dude. He's a murderer, but wait, he saved that little cat. So that idea, to make people care about this guy who's not just a murderer. We don't know why he murdered them yet, but we do know that there's something in him that's a good person.

That kind of stuff that gets a reader just interested enough to keep reading and want to keep reading. People when they read novels, they want to feel emotions. If they're reading a textbook, they want information. If they're reading a novel, they want to feel things. And especially in our day and age when there's not a lot of time spent on our feelings. I think when people read, they get into that. There's been studies shown that people who read fiction have a much reduced incidence of dementia later on.

John: Oh, really?

Dr. Debra Blaine: Not nonfiction, fiction. And I'm thinking it's because there's so many subplots that they're following along and it's a different part of the brain.

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